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2/7/94 03:59 16/ [e-mail] (Paul Rance)
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Dear All

What I'm after is someway of tricking Imagine2.9 into thinking that the
Picasso board is basically a 1200 or 4000 system with AGA chip set. When I
go to the project editor and clip on the "MAKE button (after chosen the
ILBM12 format and a HIRES format) a requester appears on the project screen
stating that there is no AA chipset present. Imagine2.9 must check something
in my 1500. What I want to know is what does it check for so that I can
change the parameter within Imagine 2.9 to stop this. If I can achieve this,
I can then produce 256 colour animations and play them through the Picasso
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board with MainActor or VT.

Thanks

Paul

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2/7/94 12:47 25/ Cyrus J Kalbrener <[e-mail]>
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        There are BBS's that do have FTP access on a request-only basis,
but there is a system somewhere that you can mail to that will retrieve
the file, uuencode it, and send it to you for free.

        Of course, I don't know where it is or what it's called...


        Cyrus J. Kalbrener
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                Digital_Cel

                        "...To Render:  By Any Means Necessary!!..."

On Mon, 7 Feb 1994, Dale R Rogers wrote:
>       This may be a stupid question, but are there any free BBSs out there
>       that have ftp access?  I would love to see some of the images
>       being produced by the mailing list members; as well as downloading
>       ICOONs, and the other programs available to the list.  I have a
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>       modem at home, but can't afford to join a commercial BBS right
>       now.  Are there any free BBSs out there, or do I just have to wait
>       until I join a commercial service?


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21400.3.1.6652 Re: Field Rendering
2/7/94 14:54 20/ Mark Thompson <[e-mail]>
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> double the length of your animation to generate it at 60fps. HALF the
> vertical resolution of the images you're generating and you've just field
> rendered. To make the animation, load a backdrop in ADPro that's double
> the vertical resolution of the images generated. Composite the first field
> (frame1) in the upper half (0,0) and the second field (frame2) in the
> lower (0,200 if generating a 640x400 anim). Use ADPro's interlace operator
> and viola! Now do this for the rest of the frames.

While this method is similar in effect, it is not the same as field rendering.
The problem is that your interlaced frame still has an effective vertical
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resolution of 200. Its just been scan doubled to 400 lines (although the
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rendering, you get the full 400 line vertical resolution (actually 480).
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21400.3.1.6653 Re: Clouds
2/7/94 17:49 12/ Tony Jones <[e-mail]>
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Posted for Frank Aalbers:

In a message of 28 Jan 94  wrote to :

 >      Does anyone know of a way to make good looking clouds with Imagine? I
 > don't mean 3-D clouds, just clouds ala VistaPro & Scenery Animator. Might
 > be a good idea for a new texture.  :)

Well ! Try making some clouds with Scenery Animator and turn your camera vertically up to the sky . Then render a pcture of it and use it as a brush with the "repeat" gadget and "mirror" gadget on.

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HASTA LA VISTA from Franky !

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> Dear All

> go to the project editor and clip on the "MAKE button (after chosen the
> ILBM12 format and a HIRES format) a requester appears on the project screen
> stating that there is no AA chipset present. Imagine2.9 must check something

Can you render to 24 bit and post-convert to ILBM12?  I've found its
best to do all your rendering to 24 bit originals.  Then you can convert
to whatever you want later - you get better results anyway from a
dedicated image processor (ImageFX, or whatever your favorite happens to
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  - steve
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2/7/94 22:25 10/ Jason B Koszarsky <[e-mail]>
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>Can you render to 24 bit and post-convert to ILBM12?  I've found its
>best to do all your rendering to 24 bit originals.  Then you can convert

I haven't actually sat down and timed this but when for me 24 bit renders
always seemed faster than 12bit, 24bit RGB that is.  I wondered if all
internal calculations were done in RGB24 and then converted to one of the
others.  It may account for the apparent time difference.  Anyone know for
sure?

Jason K.
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21400.3.1.6656 transparency on brush maps
2/8/94 00:03 9/ [e-mail]
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I am trying to apply a brush map to an object and I want the background of
the brush to be transparent. My brush is a picture of a face, and I don't
want the white background of the brush to show up on the object, just the
face.  Do I have to mess around with color 0 on my brush, or maybe do
a transparency mask and a color mask on the object.  Do I need to use the
genlock option?

Thanks
  -Travis
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21400.3.1.6657 re: transparency on brush maps
2/8/94 11:54 18/ Stephen Loughran <[e-mail]>
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On 8th Feb 1994, travis wrote:-

>I am trying to apply a brush map to an object and I want the background of
>the brush to be transparent. My brush is a picture of a face, and I don't
>want the white background of the brush to show up on the object, just the
>face.  Do I have to mess around with color 0 on my brush, or maybe do
>a transparency mask and a color mask on the object.  Do I need to use the
>genlock option?

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    The way i do it is to create a filter map using the full colour
version. i make the background colour 0,0,0 and all the other colours
255,255,255 (make it two colour... it saves room on your HD!)... then
apply the new map as a filter map (with inverse image ON cos white
makes the object transparent and black makes the object solid)

    steve

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21400.3.1.6658 Re: transparency on brush maps
12/30/93 03:03 38/ "Robin Chytil" <[e-mail]>
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On Feb 8,  3:03am, [e-mail] wrote:
> Subject: transparency on brush maps
> I am trying to apply a brush map to an object and I want the background of
> the brush to be transparent. My brush is a picture of a face, and I don't
> want the white background of the brush to show up on the object, just the
> face.  Do I have to mess around with color 0 on my brush, or maybe do
> a transparency mask and a color mask on the object.  Do I need to use the
> genlock option?
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> Thanks
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>   -Travis
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>
>-- End of excerpt from [e-mail]

IMO the only way to go is to make a second brush. only black and white (i.e. 2
colors), with what you want transparent in white and opaque in black, and apply
it at the exact same location as the colour brush, but as a filter brush.
Note : your white needs to be RGB 255,255,255 (i.e. 24bit), or if you use a 1
bitplane picture, as it uses a LUT (look-up table), it will refer as a RGB
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15,15,15 white (on a scale from 0 to 15), which will be translated as a
15*16=240 (for R,G and B) white, which is a light grey. In that case, you
transparent will be slightly seen. To make it totally transparent, you need to
put "240" in the "Full Scale Value" field in the filter map requester.

Robin

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21400.3.1.6659 Re: transparency on brush maps
2/8/94 08:27 50/ Stethem Ted              5721 <[e-mail]
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And remember, this is not working on Imagine 2.9.
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From: imagine-relay
To: imagine
Subject: Re: transparency on brush maps
Date: Thursday, December 30, 1993 12:03PM

On Feb 8,  3:03am, [e-mail] wrote:
> Subject: transparency on brush maps
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> I am trying to apply a brush map to an object and I want the background of
> the brush to be transparent. My brush is a picture of a face, and I don't
> want the white background of the brush to show up on the object, just the
> face.  Do I have to mess around with color 0 on my brush, or maybe do
> a transparency mask and a color mask on the object.  Do I need to use the
> genlock option?
>
> Thanks
>   -Travis
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>-- End of excerpt from [e-mail]

IMO the only way to go is to make a second brush. only black and white (i.e.
2
colors), with what you want transparent in white and opaque in black, and
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it at the exact same location as the colour brush, but as a filter brush.
Note : your white needs to be RGB 255,255,255 (i.e. 24bit), or if you use a
1
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bitplane picture, as it uses a LUT (look-up table), it will refer as a RGB
15,15,15 white (on a scale from 0 to 15), which will be translated as a
15*16=240 (for R,G and B) white, which is a light grey. In that case, you
transparent will be slightly seen. To make it totally transparent, you need
to
put "240" in the "Full Scale Value" field in the filter map requester.

Robin

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Dale R Rogers:
>> This may be a stupid question, but are there any free BBSs out there
>> that have ftp access?  I would love to see some of the images
>> being produced by the mailing list members; as well as downloading
>> ICOONs, and the other programs available to the list.  I have a
>> modem at home, but can't afford to join a commercial BBS right
>> now.  Are there any free BBSs out there, or do I just have to wait
>> until I join a commercial service?
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> There are BBS's that do have FTP access on a request-only basis,
> but there is a system somewhere that you can mail to that will retrieve
> the file, uuencode it, and send it to you for free.
>
> Of course, I don't know where it is or what it's called...

Try sending mail to [e-mail] with the single line:

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HELP

and it'll send back its help file.  I decided not to include it as its rather
long.  This ftp mail server is good with fast turn around times, though it
limits you to around 5 Meg of transfers a day.  Its invaluable for people like
myself who work isolated behind corporate fire walls.

Apologies for my boring work sig...

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Greetings,


Robin Chytil: (and Nik:)
>[What is the status of the altitude mapping bug in V2.9?] ...
> when you wrap [a brush on an object and make it] an altitude brush map,
>the joint ... is visable.

The "status" of this, and most of the bugs in 2.0/2.9 is that they have all
been cataloged and will be wacked when we get to them.  We are presently
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busy with design and implimentation (sp) of the features, and will get to
the bugs when finished.  When V3.0 is out, ask again about specific bugs and
I can probably tell you if they are still in there.


Tom Setzer:
>Are there going to be more or improved deformations in 3.0?...

Yes, there is a free form deformation tool in V3.0 that works great.  I've
done some very cool organic looking shapes with it as well as being able to
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bend objects (I don't really dig the 'Bend' either).  The new tool relates
a lot closer to working with a piece of clay where you can squish/stretch
things.


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>... about that unlimited map bit...Will 3.0 be able to read the map just
>once per frame, and then put it wherever it has been placed?...

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only once to save memory/time, I doubt it.


Glenn Lewis:

I'm not going to quote a bunch of stuff out of our letters, because its
just not worth it.  But - you brought up a few things I do want to mention
here.

First off, my apolagies for the insinuation that Glenn's notes to me were
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either kiss-ass or threatining.  I probably should have organized that
paragraph differently, because that isn't what I was saying.  As I said,
Glenn's first note to me was very nice and "welcoming" - not kiss-ass.  I
then said his second note was "laced with arsenic" - meaning, basically,
a bit venomous and distasteful - not threatining.  The kiss-ass/threatining
riff wasn't directed at any one in particular, it was just saying, to
everyone, don't treat me like some ladder-climbing corporate-pee-on mouth-
piece for Impulse.  I didn't say, nor did I intend to even hint at, that
Glenn had done this.  My public responce to Glenn's private e-mail was done
to satisfy his, and everybody I haven't responded to('s), curiosity.
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Now, TO ANYONE WHO WRITES PRIVATE E-MAIL TO ME:  Expect that I will answer
your questions publically. - I've got two reasons for this:  First, if you
ask a good question, there is probably a pile of people with the same
question who either won't, or can't ask it.  Answering it publically keeps
me from having to answer the same question over and over.  Second, its
just simpler.  I only have to post once to answer several messages, I can
dump all my incomming mail into one file and rip all the e-mail headers
out of it, and I don't have to worry about trying to remember who I've
told what to.
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Jeff Walkup:
>>...spline interpolated motion...
>Could you clarify this for me?  Please, please pretty please say that it
>interolates keyframes that you set from the Stage.  I.e. position
>object, make key, move object, make ey - and the movement inbetween is
>smoothed automatically.  Not just with paths.  Please  ;^)

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you said.  This works great for the thing Lesk was asking about (getting one
object to chase another).  Using this to get objects to chase looks a lot
less sterile than the path stuff does.


Nik:
>[basically, a hit-and-miss discussion of the problems with altitude mapped
>brushes caused by the y-axis not being used to orient a brush map]

Dig, (I think...).  Yes, there is no way to use the Y axis to orient a bump
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brush.  This isn't going to be changed by V3.0.  The only (inadequate I'm
sure) thing I can suggest is using the restrict to subgroup stuff with the
brush.  Looks like we need some sort of texture/application editor...


Jason K.:
>Could a "View Quickrender" option be added?...

I think this is supposed to be in V3.0.  There is also supposed to be an
option for saving a quickrender to any directory/filename you choose after
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>...[moving objects] from 2.9 to 2.0, I lose defined subgroups...

The object format has changed a bit (because of states and stuff).  This may
cause that.  This won't happen when moving V2.0 objects into V2.9, but the
old code doesn't understand parts of the new format.


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>[Will V3.0 have a library of loadable default texture attributes - Sorry,
>lost the original post]

We may do this IF 1) we have enough time and 2) we come up with some way to
generalize the texture directory so it will work on everyone's
configuration.

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      "Lets first address Essence Textures.  We had to change the file
structure of Imagine objects so that we could do things like Brush and
Texture tacking.  This facilitated a major change in how things are done,
et al the Essence Textures don't work anymore.  I realize that most people
won't believe this but we do not have a desire to break any product that
you the user finds valuable.  However, becuase you the user wanted these
other features of tacking, we had to make the changes that we indeed did
make.  SO, where does that leave the Essence textures, Simply put, in the
next couple of weeks we will release for public use the file formats of the
objects as well as the information for Apex and others to generate textures
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that will work with Imagine.  I assume that Apex will augment their product
and make appropriate offerings regarding upgarding your present texture
base.  I have no control over the process they will use to get these new
textures to you.  They may charge you for them and they may give them to
you free.  That is of course between you and Apex. "

- Mike H. 1/5/94

EEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRR, wrong answer.  As we have seen from my little hack,
all that is required is a change to tell Imagine 2.9 that we are a texture
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of that version.  Essence textures would have worked fine if you hadn't of
changed that number.  I'll post some assembler to accompany my proof if
you like?

        "Yeah we know that people want different file reqs, I suppose when
we have time to do this we will but we are too busy with other things like
BONES and Depth of Field or any number of other things that seem more
important.  I truly wish all we had to do was do new file reqs to make
people happy with the money they spend, somehow I think that this action
would not make everyone happy."
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-Mike H.  1/6/95

Why am I flaming Impulse?  The above pretty much sums it up.  Instead of
spending time bringing things like the file requesters, display databases,
optimization, bug fixes up to date, time was spent replacing something we
already had and were satisfied with, Essence I & II.  Sure, Impulse added
a few nice new textures that weren't in Essence, but they repeated A LOT of
stuff already in Essence.  Talk about wasting time!!!  Why not just add the
textures not found in Essence, and then spend the rest of the time on other
things that are needed?  Why MAKE Essence obsolete with the flip of a bit?
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HOW DOES THIS BENEFIT IMPUSE OR THE USERS OF IMAGINE!?!?!?!  The answer is
simple, it doesn't.  The only explination I can come up with, is that it is
or was an ego thing.  A decision based solely on pride.

Well, there you have it.  Ofcourse the above is just my opinion.  You're
welcome to try and change it.


Tom Setzer
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21400.3.1.6663 Essence on 2.9!!!!!!!
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Wouldn't you like to run Essence texture on Imagine 2.9?  I bet you would!

And now you can!!!  Thats right boys and girls, Impulse, specifically Mike
H., flat out lied!  So, I've come up with a simple fix that will allow all
you Essence lovers to get back to using those grand textures.  Flame bait
will follow in a seperate message, so if you have questions about the
specifics on how to, reply to this message.  Otherwise, if you wish to
join in the flame fest that is sure to follow, reply to the message entitled
"2.9 Flame Textures!!"

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Step 1:  copy your Essence textures to a new place, say Essence_2.9 drawer which
         you just created.

Step 2:  "zap" the Essence texture you wish to make work on Imagine 2.9
         (you need a program to edit binary files)

Step 3:  go to address location 0xFF, you should see a 0x10 there. The line
         will look something like this:

         90bc 0000 001a 6700 ff6a 90bc 0000 0010
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Step 4:  change the 0x10 at location 0xFF to a 0x20
Step 5:  save the file
Step 6:  change the file name to have .itx extension
Step 7:  run Imagine 2.9
Step 8:  try your new texture
Step 9:  Shout with joy!  WAH HOOOO YIPEEEE YAAAHOOOOIEEEEEE!!!!!!!!
Step 10: repeat process for each texture!!!!!!!!

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I don't know if this will work for Essence II.  I can only assume it will.
Also, I haven't tried this on all textures(in fact, I haven't tried it at
all, I got a friend to do it), only a few.  If you have any problems with
any particular textures, give a yell.  BTW, these new textures won't work on
Imagine 2.0, so, thanks to Impulse, you will have to keep 2 copies on your
HD.  Whoop, last minute addition, for Essence II, the magic location is
5F.  Just change the 10 to a 20 and Voila.

Hope I didn't piss off too many people!;)

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Tom Setzer
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21400.3.1.6664 Re: One hand clapping...
2/8/94 17:27 27/ [e-mail] (Jeff Walkup)
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Scott Kirvan writes:

> >>...spline interpolated motion...
> >Could you clarify this for me?  Please, please pretty please say that it
> >interolates keyframes that you set from the Stage.  I.e. position
> >object, make key, move object, make ey - and the movement inbetween is
> >smoothed automatically.  Not just with paths.  Please  ;^)
>
> Ok, "it interolates keyframes that you set from the Stage."  Exactly like
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> you said.  This works great for the thing Lesk was asking about (getting one
> object to chase another).  Using this to get objects to chase looks a lot
> less sterile than the path stuff does.

Yikes.  After reading this I think I should have been more verbose.
When I said "interpolate", I meant does it add "ease-in" and "ease-out"
to the movements, as well as "smooth" the curves.  I.e., if I create
three keyframes, one at the bottom-right of the screen, one at the
top-middle, and one at the bottom-left - will my object travel in a
smooth curve (as I want it to), or will it move in a triangle, with
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sharp transitions between the keys (as it does now in Imagine 2.0)?

Sorry, don't mean to be a pain, just want to make sure we're talking
about the same thing.

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21400.3.1.6665 Essence Patch Program (esstoim29)
2/8/94 17:13 239/ [e-mail] (John T. Grieggs)
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Hi.

As you may have heard by now, it is possible to modify your Essence and
Essence II textures to work with Imagine 2.9.  Well, I've known this for a
while, but didn't feel free to publicize it.  Since the cat's out of the bag,
I've decided to distribute my patch program.

To use it:

        Copy your Essence and EssAtts folder into your Imagine 2.9 folder.
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        Change into the new Essence folder.

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                SPAT esstoim29 #?
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That's it!

The actual change is a version number change.  You need to make a copy of the
tree, as above, because Imagine 2.0 and Imagine 2.9 check for individual
version numbers.

esstoim29 also renames your textures with .itx extensions, because otherwise
the Imagine file requestor would ignore them.  You don't need to add the .itx
extension to the texture instances in your old objects.
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I guess this means that I can now admit that the 60-frame ray-traced Magic
Lantern anim for the Picasso which I'm about to release was done with Imagine
2.9, Essence I, and Essence II.  :-)

_john (IRE)

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21400.3.1.6666 Essence on 2.9!!!!!!!
2/9/94 02:16 25/ [e-mail] (Soren Wind)
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 [ 8 Feb 94 ] [ Thomas Setzer -> me ]

 TS> Wouldn't you like to run Essence texture on Imagine 2.9?  I bet you
 TS> would!

Yes and thanks to you it is now possible.. :D

 TS> I don't know if this will work for Essence II.  I can only assume it
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 TS> will. Also, I haven't tried this on all textures(in fact, I haven't

It didn't work, anyone else who want to give it a try or find another way to
patch the Volume II...

Please, i am not able to find the Way...

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21400.3.1.6667 Re: One hand clapping...
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> Robin Chytil: (and Nik:)
> >[What is the status of the altitude mapping bug in V2.9?] ...
> > when you wrap [a brush on an object and make it] an altitude brush map,
> >the joint ... is visable.

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> The "status" of this, and most of the bugs in 2.0/2.9 is that they have all
> been cataloged and will be wacked when we get to them.  We are presently
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> busy with design and implimentation (sp) of the features, and will get to
> the bugs when finished.  When V3.0 is out, ask again about specific bugs and
> I can probably tell you if they are still in there.
>

I hate to sound like a whiner but...

This made my heart sink.  I am more than willing to wait for 3.0 to be made
right but this sounds like I will have to subscribe to the update program
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21400.3.1.6668 Re:  Essence on 2.9!!!!!!!
2/9/94 06:55 20/ Jason B Koszarsky <[e-mail]>
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>TS> I don't know if this will work for Essence II.  I can only assume it

> It didn't work, anyone else who want to give it a try or find another way to

I tried the uuencoded program that was posted and it worked.  At the moment
I'm rendering an anim with textures from both Essence & Essence II under
2.9.

The only difficulty I encountered with using the program was that I couldn't
use the wildcard for more than 3 or 4 items in a directory.
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If I typed 'spat esstoim29 #?' and I had say 8 items in a directory then it
would complain.  but for 4 or less it worked.  But eventually I got all
converted and it works so far.

Can we go the other way, to get 2.9 textures to work under 2.0 by switching
their version numbers to something 2.0 will accept?


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In <[e-mail]> "Steve Essery" <[e-mail]> writes:
>Dale R Rogers:
>>> This may be a stupid question, but are there any free BBSs out there
>>> that have ftp access?  I would love to see some of the images

>Cyrus J. Kalbrener:
>> There are BBS's that do have FTP access on a request-only basis,
>> but there is a system somewhere that you can mail to that will retrieve
>> the file, uuencode it, and send it to you for free.

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>Steve Essery   Unix Support, Oracle UK    Hello, my name is Inigo Montoya,


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Wow... What a weird development. I KNEW that there wasn't that much difference
between the 2.0 & 2.9 texture files, but to realize that only ONE BIT of
information changed... That smacks of underhanded dealing to me, on the part
of Impulse.

We all know that there is some bad feelings from Impulse for Apex, and I don't
want to get into the reasons or anything. It seems to me that the action taken
by Impulse is REALLY unprofessional. They tried to put the ball into Apex's
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21400.3.1.6672 Forms Editor Freaks, Come on Down!!
2/9/94 08:55 25/ [e-mail] (Brad Molsen)
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        Hello all, I've been spending some time trying to learn the Forms
Editor and am having trouble trying to manipulate it. Mr. Worley says that
it is "one of Imagine's most powerful object creation tools" but, I am
having trouble bending, twisting, and stretching the cross sections in a
way that I can see their relationship with the other cross sections. Even
scaling, which I would have thought would have involved a "scaling size
reference in the menu bar like the other editors is not giving me the
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scaling between key cross sections? Have all you animators tamed this
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any pointers or help would be appreciated.
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2/9/94 09:02 28/ Stethem Ted              5721 <[e-mail]
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On 2/8/94, Scott Kervin writes:

>Robin Chytil: (and Nik:)
>>[What is the status of the altitude mapping bug in V2.9?] ...
>> when you wrap [a brush on an object and make it] an altitude brush map,
>>the joint ... is visable.
>
>The "status" of this, and most of the bugs in 2.0/2.9 is that they have all
>been cataloged and will be wacked when we get to them.  We are presently
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>busy with design and implimentation (sp) of the features, and will get to
>the bugs when finished.  When V3.0 is out, ask again about specific bugs
and
>I can probably tell you if they are still in there.

    Does this mean Impulse is planning to release V3.0 with known bugs?!?
 The lack of multiple brushmaps, a bug in V2.9 that was not in V2.0, is a
very severe bug to me.  Not only that, there are some objects that appear
fine in the V2.0 detail editor but are invisible in the V2.9 detail editor
(Star Trek logo objects from wuarchive).  I also have objects from V2.0
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errors".  Also, are we going to get some kind of explanation for these error
messages?  An error window with some cryptic message is not much help in
correcting the error.
   It really concerns me that I paid my money up front for a "new, improved"
version only to hear that it is going to ship with known defects in place.
 And that it is going to be up to me, the customer, to identify the defects?
 Aren't there supposed to be some Halvorson brothers testing the program?
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21400.3.1.6674 Re: Essence on 2.9!!!!!!!
2/9/94 08:31 7/ [e-mail] (John T. Grieggs)
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> It didn't work, anyone else who want to give it a try or find another way to
> patch the Volume II...
>
My patch program works.  Try it.  Aloha.

_john

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2/9/94 10:15 24/ Frank Branham <[e-mail]>
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>
>  The only difficulty I encountered with using the program was that I couldn't
>  use the wildcard for more than 3 or 4 items in a directory.
>  If I typed 'spat esstoim29 #?' and I had say 8 items in a directory then it
>  would complain.  but for 4 or less it worked.  But eventually I got all
>  converted and it works so far.
>

This tends to work much better:
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This is pretty much what spat does, and I've always had tourlbe with it.

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>Wow... What a weird development. I KNEW that there wasn't that much difference

It is possible that changes to the texture formats haven't been implemented
yet.  Changing the check for a version number may make a difference with 3.0
that it really doesn't in 2.9.  So you may find that your converted Essence
textures won't work with 3.0, 3.0 would accept the version number but you
could be crashing the program.  Not something I enjoy.

Since impulse hasn't made their changes in texture formats, at least in 2.9,
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then it explains why information hasn't been released to Apex & others on the
new formats yet.  They're not ready, as Impulse has been saying all along.

I don't think that it was underhanded on Impulse's part but it would have been
nice if they let 2.9 still accept the old versions but remind us that it
will change in 3.0.

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21400.3.1.6677 RE: Parnet = Twin Express
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What ever happened to Twin Express?

I was hoping to be able to get hold of it...
Do you have to purchace it??



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>The "status" of this, and most of the bugs in 2.0/2.9 is that they have all
>been cataloged and will be wacked when we get to them.  We are presently
>busy with design and implimentation (sp) of the features, and will get to
>the bugs when finished.  When V3.0 is out, ask again about specific bugs

 >Does this mean Impulse is planning to release V3.0 with known bugs?!?

Yes.  It is normal in software developement to design first, then implement,
and finally work out known bugs.  Then release it.  But there will always
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A problem that I see is that Impulse hasn't corrected the bugs in 2.0 before
trying to do anything new and they should have done that.  How many years
have they known about the 2.0 bugs and not fixed them?

I'll accept finding new bugs in 3.0 but all 2.0 bugs should be corrected
by now.  Also, any bug-fix update versions should be sent free to registered
owners.  I'd pay for a update with new features but why should anyone pay
for a fix to something that was supposed to work when it was originally
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Bugs too often tend to be called 'features'.

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21400.3.1.6679 Re: DCTV and Imagine
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I thank all who replied back to me on DCTV. Everybodys comments were greatly
appreciated.


I even had somebody comment that they had a frend who might sell me one.
Just adding to that, is there anybody in Australia that has one that they
would like to sell?
Send an Email if you do..

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        Hi,

        I try to finish my formula one race car (Williams Renault, Alain Prost).
I just have to apply brush maps on it, but there are a few ones. If I try to
put this image there, another one disappears !...
        I can't render it on 2.0 since I use States to map "GoodYear" on the
tyres.
        Does anyone know if it's possible to avoid those pbs, or will I have
to wait for Impulse to fix this bug ?

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Regarding the Essence byte Fix for use with Imagine 2.9,

Does the texture tacking feature of Imagine 2.9 work with the fixed Essence
textures?  If not, then the changes made to the textures in V2.9 are valid
changes.

If the texture tacking feature does work, the changes may still be valid
changes...where the hooks to the textures were changed in order to better
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Either way, to knock anyone for intentionally breaking Essence I & II is
unsubstantiated & circumstantial.

My 2 cents,

GreG

P.S.  I like the Essence textures and do want to use them.
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Maybe i missed it, but have there been any news, about how to Patch Imagine
V2.9 to use, overscan settings, or can i just use, the old adresses posted
for the V2.0 version....

I would certainly like a 724*284 screen or alike...

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> > Why am I flaming Impulse?  The above pretty much sums it up.  Instead of
> > spending time bringing things like the file requesters, display databases,
> > optimization, bug fixes up to date, time was spent replacing something we
> > already had and were satisfied with, Essence I & II.  Sure, Impulse added
> > a few nice new textures that weren't in Essence, but they repeated A LOT of
> > stuff already in Essence.  Talk about wasting time!!!  Why not just add the
> > textures not found in Essence, and then spend the rest of the time on other
> > things that are needed?  Why MAKE Essence obsolete with the flip of a bit?
> > HOW DOES THIS BENEFIT IMPUSE OR THE USERS OF IMAGINE!?!?!?!  The answer is
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> > simple, it doesn't.  The only explination I can come up with, is that it is
> > or was an ego thing.  A decision based solely on pride.
> >
> > Tom Setzer
> > [e-mail]
> >
>
> Tom, a few months ago I began to "convert:-)" essence textures to 2.9
> on an as needed basis. As I cursed Impulse each time I had to dust off
> NewZap, I tried to keep an open mind as to why they would do this.
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> It was quite clear that the addition of wonderful 2.9 features like
> tacking did not necesitate this one byte change.  Because I can't imagine
> a company going out of their way to screw over a large percenatage of it's
> user base, I conjured up the following senario.
>
> Imagine if you will....
> The 3.0 texture interface will be radically different - more parameters,
> sliders for color and value, thumbnail previews of the texture.....
> whatever. the 2.9 textures were intentionally crippled to let folks (users,
> developers) know that their old textures would not be compatible with the
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> new generation of imagine. A new leaf is being turned at impulse- Published
> object/texture formats for developers, quaterly upgrades free from 2 year
> old known bugs...
> Rosie glasses removed.
>
> Whew! what a stretch. back to reality. I simply think that Impulse
> stuck a big pole in our collective ass. This may or may not be true. I'll
> reserve my ultimate judgement until 3.0 is in my hands. If it ships with
> a radically new texture interface that sports many new features only
> possible through a new texture format, I'll understand. Anything
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>
> >Wow... What a weird development. I KNEW that there wasn't that much difference
>
> It is possible that changes to the texture formats haven't been implemented
> yet.  Changing the check for a version number may make a difference with 3.0
> that it really doesn't in 2.9.  So you may find that your converted Essence
> textures won't work with 3.0, 3.0 would accept the version number but you
> could be crashing the program.  Not something I enjoy.
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> Since impulse hasn't made their changes in texture formats, at least in 2.9,
> then it explains why information hasn't been released to Apex & others on the
> new formats yet.  They're not ready, as Impulse has been saying all along.
>
The version number change in Essence matches the version number change in
the 2.9 Impulse textures.  These textures use the old texture interface
exactly, with only a version number change.  Feel free to disassmble a
couple and see for yourself if you don't believe me.

If indeed there is a new texture interface change coming (dunno), they will
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textures to match it.  Either they break both their 2.9 textures and the
newly hacked Essence textures, or neither.

> I don't think that it was underhanded on Impulse's part but it would have been
> nice if they let 2.9 still accept the old versions but remind us that it
> will change in 3.0.
>
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In fact, didn't Scott from Impulse mention the other day that it was still
being worked on?

> Jason K.
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Hi, I'd just like to know if it would be better (read cheaper)
for me to use the AMIGA FORMAT upgrade deal (95 or 75 pounds)
from imagine2.0 to imagine 2.9/3.0 when it arrives. (Amiga Format
only just came out in Australia (the Imagine coverdisk copy)).

OR

Buy direct from IMPULSE. I Sent mail to [e-mail], but no reply
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, guess he was too busy. I would still like an answer.

BTW, the Aussie dollar is about

AUD $1 = US $ 0.72

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AUD $1 = UK 0.49 Pounds

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I would be paying by VISA, so currency conversion is automatic.


All replies appreciated,

--Matthew
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 I found your address on the Iowa computer net. I would like to be placed on
your mailing list. [e-mail]   or snail mail Larry d. Lauger
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> only ONE BIT of information changed... That smacks of underhanded
> dealing to me, on the part of Impulse.

That was my first reaction too, but upon thinking about it a little
more, I'm not so sure.  It seems really bizarre that they would just
change the version number to screw over Apex (who'd figure that out
right quick anyway).  There are much more effective ways to do that if
that's what they wanted - they could have *completely* changed the
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Anyhow, it seems clear that Impulse and Apex don't exactly have a warm
and loving relationship.  I'm not sure why.  I would tend to think
they'd have more of a symbiotic relationship than an adversarial one.
They are each more successful with each other than without.  Impulse
must know that there is a large set of people who have only stuck with
Imagine *because* of Essence (I'm one such person; I know for a fact
there are others).  Impulse will get my money for a 3.0 upgrade because
of the Essence folks, and the Essence folks got my money for Essence I
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I'm not sure I quite buy the theory that Impulse did that just to ding
Apex.  It seems little too weird and ineffective.  IMHO, Impulse should
have just added new texture *hooks* and capabilities in 3.0 (maybe a
more powerful texture UI), and let Apex supply a library of 3rd party
textures.  But I'm not running the show, so its up to them what to do.

  - steve, who mostly just wishes he could afford Lightwave.

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> >Wow... What a weird development. I KNEW that there wasn't that much difference
>
> It is possible that changes to the texture formats haven't been implemented
> yet.  Changing the check for a version number may make a difference with 3.0
> that it really doesn't in 2.9.  So you may find that your converted Essence
> textures won't work with 3.0, 3.0 would accept the version number but you
> could be crashing the program.  Not something I enjoy.
>
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you would be able to affect more things through textures).  But that means
that Impulse will have to upgrade the 2.9 textures that come with 2.9, just
as Apex will have to upgrade.

> Since impulse hasn't made their changes in texture formats, at least in 2.9,
> then it explains why information hasn't been released to Apex & others on the
> new formats yet.  They're not ready, as Impulse has been saying all along.

Sure.  I have no problem with this.  I just don't understand 2 things.  One,
why change it for 2.9?  If the change to the texture format didn't make it
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> I don't think that it was underhanded on Impulse's part but it would have been
> nice if they let 2.9 still accept the old versions but remind us that it
> will change in 3.0.
>
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I need to clear a few things up.  May as well do it here.  I don't own, nor do
I have a copy of Imagine 2.9. (What?!?!  why do you care then!?!?!  How did you
figure it out?)  As I said in my original post: "Also, I haven't tried this on
all textures(in fact, I haven't tried it at all, I got a friend to do it), only
a few." I was able to figure it all out based on my knowledge of previous
textures(which are the same as 2.9, as we now know). I did this for my friend
who paid hard earned(and I do mean HARD EARNED) money for Imagine 2.9 and
Essence I & II, and wanted to use both, at the same time.  I thought I would
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Also, I have been accused of being an Imagine basher.  I have used Imagine since
the days of Silver(it was called Silver back then).  I like it, thats why I'm
here on this list.  I would like to see it grow to its potential.  I do,
however, disagree with the way Impulse does some things(you may have noticed).
And unfortunatly(for some), I am a chronic complainer.   I hope Impulse doesn't
take my flames in too much the wrong way(I just reread them, and I don't
see how they could keep from getting upset.  Ooops), but maybe, hopefully,
in the future they will consider the customer more carefully.

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Greetings.

Some time ago I bought the Amiga Format Imagine2.0 and have finally got
it running in 640x400 NTSC, all nice and useable...

Except I haven't got a clue as to how to animate.  What can one expect
for twelve bucks?  I'm happy rendering stills and such, but I'd love to
animate.  My question is... would anyone like to give me an outline of
the process?  I don't expect anyone to quote the manual word for word,
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certain number of frames or something.

Or better yet, is there anybody on the list from the Bloomington/IU
campus area who wouldn't mind loaning me their manual?  Or selling it?
I wouldn't mind trading a few games for a manual.

Anybody kind enough or interested in trading?  E-mail as not to annoy
IML people further than this message already has.

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WoouuuWWW...

I Think i just found the biggest bug in Imagine V2.9

I was tracing a Spacestation where a camera was flying around by a pathline.
i had setup a global brush with a Sky.

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I Can't take all these mistakes..

Last time, it became a pain in my neck ,the screen flashed up, just one
frame, but i was not able to find the reason, so it must have been a bug.

Would someone please report these to Impulse.

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Hi everyone!

Essence textures tack properly!

YEAH!

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>Sure.  I have no problem with this.  I just don't understand 2 things.  One,
>why change it for 2.9?  If the change to the texture format didn't make it
>into 2.9, why change the version number?  Two, why did Impulse go to all the
>trouble of replicating the work done by Apex, when they could have spent that
>time fixing bugs or getting 3.0 out a little faster?

one:  I don't think Impulse expected to run so behind on the initial release
date of 3.0 so 2.9 wasn't part of the original plan.  Users were getting
upset with the wait so they packed together what they had finished into 2.9.
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didn't require new stuff so changing them later for 3.0 may be pretty simple.

two:  Some is replicated, some is really new.  They didn't recreate all of
what is available with essence.  Didn't they hire a new guy to work on textures?
So, it is not as if everyone dropped what they were doing just to make textures.
Getting someone new freed the other guys up from having to make them so they
could work on other things.  But one of the worst things you can do is to
start hiring people just so you can get a project completed and out the door.
IBM did this back in the 60s and learned their lesson.  New people aren't up to
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Impulse ought to consider seting up version 3.0 (and later versions) of
their software to accept old texture documents as well as new formats.
It isn't very difficult.  Just make two procedures for loading textures.
One new, and one old.  Check the version number in the file and call
the appropriate texture loader.  Perhapse they could then offer to let
the user change the old texture to the new format.  Presto - lots of
power, and all the users are still happy.

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Greetings Imagineers,
     I know this is a bit off the subject of Imagine, but many of the people
on this mailing list seem to be very well-informed on the video aspects of
Imagine. The company I work for is very interested in capturing video
images from our wafer inspection microscopes to establish a database for
failure analysis. We have two of these systems both of which are
capable of outputting the following signals: RGB w/sync, Y/C chroma, and
video out. What I am interested in is a video capture board (and software)
to capture these video images. Commercial and consumer products are
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Requirements that must be met are as follows:
1) The resolution of the captured image must be first-rate. This is a must.
   Many of the defects we are looking at can only be found at magnifications
   of at least 1000x.
2) The captured image must be in a non-proprietary format, so that the
   image can be easily converted into other formats. I would prefer TIFF,
   GIF, JPEG or IFF.
3) Systems will be considered as well, but the system should be able to be
   networked (via modem is fine).
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If anyone out there has any information along these lines, your help would
be greatly appreciated. Please e-mail me at [e-mail]
or reply via the Imagine mailing list.

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21400.3.1.6695 Re: Beginner w/o a clue (longish)
2/11/94 09:10 61/ Michael Whitten MedSchAdm <[e-mail]>
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ecorbin <[e-mail]> said:

>Some time ago I bought the Amiga Format Imagine2.0 and have finally got
>it running in 640x400 NTSC, all nice and useable...

>Except I haven't got a clue as to how to animate.  What can one expect
>for twelve bucks?  I'm happy rendering stills and such, but I'd love to
>animate.  My question is... would anyone like to give me an outline of
>the process?  I don't expect anyone to quote the manual word for word,
>but just maybe a hint on how to make an object move along a path over a
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>certain number of frames or something.

>Or better yet, is there anybody on the list from the Bloomington/IU
>campus area who wouldn't mind loaning me their manual?  Or selling it?
>I wouldn't mind trading a few games for a manual.

>Anybody kind enough or interested in trading?  E-mail as not to annoy
>IML people further than this message already has.

I'll post this to the list because I, too, am starting to learn Imagine
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thanks to the AF coverdisk, and feel there must be many of us newbie
types out there stuggling with The Wall.  First:  get Steve Worley's
excellent book 'Understanding Imagine2.0'......due to the AF coverdisk,
Worley made another run with the publisher to meet demand and should
have copies available to anyone who asks.  Here's the blurb:

*              "Understanding Imagine 2.0"
*
*This fine book can be ordered by credit card from Apex by calling
*415/322-7532 between the hours of 10AM and 6PM Pacific time. Calls will be
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*answered by a courteous, intelligent and Imagine-literate salesperson who
*will be glad to help you, Steve Worley himself. :-) Fax orders may be
*placed at 415/322-2059.
*
*For more information, contact Apex Software, 405 El Camino Real #121, Menlo
*Park CA 94025.

This book is comprehensive and clear; I recommend it heartily.  Much of it
seems to be culled from Steve's experience and experimentation as this
list's originator and guru.  I am currently reading the IML archives (I'm
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on archive03 out of 30+ archives and it is quite interesting to see the
development of user-based knowledge of Imagine accrue.  Its also interesting
to get a sense of the current Imagine/Apex drama thru the background those
archives provide.  In fact, I'm recalling now Rick Rodriguez' (Imagine
manual author) msg to Steve urging him to contact Mike Halvorson about
3rd party Imagine products and how Mike is so receptive to the idea.
Kinda Hollywood.  Anyway, spend money on the book, neophytes!

Also:  I, too, did the 640x400 hack to the PAL coverdisk version, but since
it only changes the resolution (you must still manually tweak the monitor's
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vertical to see all of PAL mode's screen) and NOT the video mode....its
still PAL, pal.  Be careful with that 'NTSC' stuff.

I see some of those old archive user-names still subscribe today, and all
I must say that I am humbled to be 'mingling with the Greats!'  Hopefully,
in a few months/years/whatever, I, too, will be able to contribute something
useful.

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Would like to see:
1)Making paths: To make an object follow a path - In the stage editor, select
the object, select "start path". This would automatically start a new path at
the objects position. Go to the frame where the path is to end, position
the object where it is to end up and select "end path". This path would be
assigned to this object, and 'follow' it during the frames that it is
active. In other words, if you were to move the object in it's last frame
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frame the object is not in a good position, move the object and the path
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and shortest curve between the various object positions.

2)Dynamic camera tracking: In the stage editor, as you change the "track"
object the camera automatically adjusts it's view, continuously, until you
are satisfied. This should also apply when the "track" object is following a
path! Change the path and you see instantly -without having to resave the
path!- what effect this will have on the camera's view. (mind you, with the
previous suggestion you wouldn't have to even worry about changing the
path).
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>Impulse ought to consider seting up version 3.0 (and later versions) of
>their software to accept old texture documents as well as new formats.

This would be a nice feature.  But a point comes where you have too many
old versions to support or the texture format undergoes a radical change
that makes supporting the old format impractical.  Perhaps a utility
that could convert old textures to newer formats.

Jason K.
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After re-reading my original post(over and over), I can't help but think that
I may have stepped out of line.  I want to appoligize to Mike and everyone at
Impulse, as well as the other users here on the IML.  I feel I could have made
my point without sinking down to name calling.  In the IML "charter" it states
that the only rule is respect for other members of the mailing list, and it
appears I showed disrespect toward, of all people, the ones who made this list
possible.

I still stand by the fact that I think Impulse was wrong in changing the version
number.  After all, the 3rd party PD and commercial support of Imagine is
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part of the appeal.  T3dlib(is that what its called), ISL, Essence I & II,
all those modelers and object coversion programs, tapes, tutorials and manuals,
they all contribute to making Imagine a better product.  Hopefully Impulse
will start to see this the same way the users do.


Tom Setzer
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> >Sure.  I have no problem with this.  I just don't understand 2 things.  One,
> >why change it for 2.9?  If the change to the texture format didn't make it
> >into 2.9, why change the version number?  Two, why did Impulse go to all the
> >trouble of replicating the work done by Apex, when they could have spent that
> >time fixing bugs or getting 3.0 out a little faster?
>
> one:  I don't think Impulse expected to run so behind on the initial release
> date of 3.0 so 2.9 wasn't part of the original plan.  Users were getting
> upset with the wait so they packed together what they had finished into 2.9.
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> The textures released with 2.9 may be a small subset of textures that didn't
> didn't require new stuff so changing them later for 3.0 may be pretty simple.
>
True, they probably didn't expect to take this long.  You never do.  But I doubt
they expected to release in a few days, probably not even a few weeks.  Knowing
that it would be a month or 2(not six), I would have done things different.
At best it is changing a #define from 0x60 to 0x50.  At worst, a simple find
and replace script for all the textures.

> two:  Some is replicated, some is really new.  They didn't recreate all of
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> what is available with essence.  Didn't they hire a new guy to work on textures?
New guy point taken.

> So, it is not as if everyone dropped what they were doing just to make textures.
> Getting someone new freed the other guys up from having to make them so they
> could work on other things.  But one of the worst things you can do is to
> start hiring people just so you can get a project completed and out the door.
> IBM did this back in the 60s and learned their lesson.  New people aren't up to
> speed on what has been done and the software's inner workings.  Even if they
> are good programmers they will slow things done more than helping.
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Although I *could* see someone working on debuging, or adding isolated features
(display database, new requesters) that don't *really* require the knowledge
of the inner workings of Imagine.  My main point was that Mike had talked of
priorities, getting bones, and other 3.0 neato things, before working on things
like lens flare, and other less important things.  I would put new textures
on pretty low priority considering we already had/have Essence.  As I understand
it, Scott did work on other things (FX, anything else??? deformations?).  I
would think you would need a pretty good understanding of Imagine(object format,
stage editor, action editor, fx format) to work on FX.  And we've all seen
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programmer.  So to say that Scott couldn't have contributed to other areas
needing more attention, is stretching *my* imagination a little far.


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I received a message from Mike H at Impulse in regard to my rather nasty
message posted here regarding impulse/essence/imagine in general asking
me to give him a call. I did. We had  long conversation about all of the
above. He said it was fine by him to recap the conversation for the list,
so here are the highlights from memory:

I apologized to mike and will echo that sentiment here. I explained to mike
that my reaction was out of the frustration of many apaprent problems
with the software and Impulse. He addressed these in sequence.
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First off, I have been receiving newsletters for some time now from Impulse
stating that Imagine 3.0 is a month away, two months away... whatever.
Of course it never arrives. As I use the software semi-professionally (read
periodically receive payment for work rendered) these dates now mean more to
me than when I was just a casual user. Mike said that they will not
do this in the future, realizing now that it is often quite impossible
to predict with accuracy a release date. Also the periodic update plan
will go into effect after 3.0, meaning we will see new features as they whip
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Next up was old bugs and why they still survive. The slice thing. Mike says
this is a known problem that they do not have a solution for at this time.
He went on to give a mildly technical explanation of the problem, most of
which went over my non tech head. The other popular one on the maillist is
the backdrop /fog deal. This will be fixed in 3.0


TEXTURES! Yes a hot topic here on IML. After speaking with mike, I do
believe that Impulse did not break 2.0 textures to screw over the user
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developer base. Indeed, they have their valid reasons. Reasons that
I might add I don't agree with, but that's none of my fucking business.
It was their decision, They had a valid reason, and now it's life. I think
We'll all be pleasantly surprised when 3.0 is out. I must leave it at that
for now.

Of course with mike on hte line I had to take a few moments to pry some
new features out of him!! Yes, he did give me a rough ddte of when to expect
it, and although it is soon, I won't repeat it here as nothing good could
come of that! Bones are their and functional although this didn't seem
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to excite him. States are even more improved and easier to use. Finally
the action editor gets some cut/paste functionality! better camera in
perspective. Some nice new path stuff. new lighting stuff, including the
much requested lense flare business, all of which sounded real nice.
Mike said the software looks much different than what we are used to,
is easier to use, and is quite stable.

I also took a moment to let him know that it is excellent to have Scott
posting factual information here to the list regarding new features,
and answering how-to questions. I'm sure you've all noticed, as I have,
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that since his appearance here there is a lot less noise and more
constructive conversation here on IML (except that nasty texture stuff
this week :-) again my apologies for contributing)

I'm sure there was more, but those are the highlights. Imagine, no matter
how you look at it, is one of the finest programs out there. As compnies
like Gold Disk are cutting back or dropping amiga support, It's good to
see Impulse's support of the platform grow.

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>This would be a nice feature.  But a point comes where you have too many
>old versions to support or the texture format undergoes a radical change
>that makes supporting the old format impractical.  Perhaps a utility
>that could convert old textures to newer formats.

  I don't see how a program can support "too many" old versions of a file
format, unless the code for loading those old versions starts taking up a
significant (>32k) portion of the code.  I've got a utility program whose
data file format has undergone two major revisions, but it still supports
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handles the new format.  Then, my program can call any of the old loading
routines based on the version number in the data file.

  I don't know how major the change in texture format is, but it seems to
me that they could still let the old textures work.  Compatibility is not
too difficult to retain, unless they're completely rewriting the program.

  --Andy Church

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PRESS RELEASE


   FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE


               New Upgrade of PEGGER Image Compression Software


Columbia, MO -- February 11, 1994
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     Heifner Communications Inc. is proud to announce the availability of

v1.3 of their product, PEGGER, an automated image compression system for

Commodore Amiga computers.  PEGGER v1.3 brings drastically improved support

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"We are pleased to offer the finest support of NewTek's Framestore format

found in any 3rd party software currently on the market", said Heifner

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the past months that many of our customers are Toaster owners and we felt

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Not only is PEGGER v1.3 much faster when compressing and decompressing

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     PEGGER v1.3 also provides support for compression of pre-buffered

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     This upgrade of PEGGER is so important that we have decided to provide

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             PEGGER, Automated JPEG Image Compression Software


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     Heifner Communications is now shipping a new software utility for

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      JPEG code has been optimized for speed.

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On Fri, 11 Feb 1994, Michael Whitten MedSchAdm wrote:

> Also:  I, too, did the 640x400 hack to the PAL coverdisk version, but since
> it only changes the resolution (you must still manually tweak the monitor's
> vertical to see all of PAL mode's screen) and NOT the video mode....its
> still PAL, pal.  Be careful with that 'NTSC' stuff.

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Imagine into thinking your machine is PAL.  I use Degrader, using the
50Hz System option and Survive NoReset.  The video is still 60Hz, NTSC.
I should have been more clear on that, sorry.  Thanks Michael, and all
others who replied with "clues" and suggestions.  [Most suggested
"Understanding Imagine,"  so I therefore withdraw my request to buy a manual.]

I was mainly interested in the manual because I heard Mr. Worley's book
was out of print, but is apparently available again due to demand. :)
(Thanks again Michael)

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Not so clueless...


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Since in many ways this list has a lot of power users on it I thought
that I'd ask my questions here. I'm in a position to purchase a second
hand A4091 SCSI 2 controller and was just wondering if anyone on this
list who has one can me some facts - good and bad.
The card I'm purchasing is from someone I kinda know and they claim that
it works well. I'm ready to believe this but my setup is a bit different
- they have 1 1.4G drive, I have 2 smaller drives. Also, I may be using a
tape drive with it from time to time. Possibly also a Sysquest drive.
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If you can answer please E-mail so as not to bother the people on the IML.

It sure would be nice to play those big anims off the HD at high speed.

Nik.
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I have written an ARexx script for doing fake-but-effective motion blur
on a set of Imagine frames.  I would repost it, but this mail program
pukes every time I try to include a file in it.  You might want to check
the IML archives (I've never done this so I don't know how trivial or
difficult that would be).  I have also tried to re-create field rendering
but to no avail.  It almost works.  If someone could post a little more
detailed description of what field rendering is doing, maybe I (or
someone) could hack around some more and get it right.

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Uucp> >  If I typed 'spat esstoim29 #?' and I had say 8 items in a directory
Uucp> then it
Uucp> >  would complain.  but for 4 or less it worked.  But eventually I got
Uucp> all
Uucp> >  converted and it works so far.
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Uucp> This tends to work much better:
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Hehe, I just made a script file, told Diskmaster to then use the
script, clicked on al the directories, and then just sat back..:)  (If
anyone wants me to write the script I used, let me know, I thinkI can
remember it pretty easily.)

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Hi !

I have some problems with my Imagine 1.13( or so) .
I can`t understand why it did not render brushmaps correct.
I say Imagine, that it should wrap a 24-bit brush on a plane
with flat x ; flat y ---- but the result in RAYTRACE - Mode
isn`t nice - I don`t understand why there are such jaggies etc.
and on cylinders or so it`s impossible to look at the results
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Can you help me?

Sorry, I come from germany and my english isn`t so good because the
school is many years ago......
I hope that you understood me problems.

Frank Huebner

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Advertiding...
Take it away I dont want to read it.
This is for Imagine,  not Dribble from some Salesperson..


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Hi all.

Please excuse my ignorance but,   Can somebody tell me how to split a ball
        down the middle and spread the two halves, then turn 90Deg and do
        the same?

        EG:         -                   -             (Crummy Graphics isnt
it)
                  (   )      to       ( + )
                    _  Ball             _  4 Part ball
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This sounds simple, But I have had no success.  I even tried making one
piece at a time. All I could do was half get it right. There is something I
have
obviously missed and mucked up.
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Forms Editor!  I'd never use the forms editor for that.  It's just too
easy in the detail editor.
Here's what to do in the Detail editor.

Select Functions/add/primitives/sphere and create a whole sphere with
a number of sides that is divisible by four. (like 24)

Select Mode/pick points.
Select Mode/pick method/dragbox.
hold down the shift key and use the cursor to capture (nearly) half the sphere
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(what you want to do is leave half a sphere, so don't select the exact middle.
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select Functions/delete.

Do this again from any other view to make one quarter sphere.

if you want the quarters to look solid (not hollow), add two disks (one rotated appropriately )  then delete the parts you dont need.  Then use Function/join to make them one object.  Merge them if you want to too.

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>I have written an ARexx script for doing fake-but-effective motion blur
>on a set of Imagine frames.  I would repost it, but this mail program
>pukes every time I try to include a file in it.  You might want to check
>the IML archives (I've never done this so I don't know how trivial or
>difficult that would be).

     Does your script write a DCTV anim? If so, I have it and am having
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begging ;-)...

>I have also tried to re-create field rendering
>but to no avail.  It almost works.  If someone could post a little more
>detailed description of what field rendering is doing, maybe I (or
>someone) could hack around some more and get it right.

     Generate an anim at 60fps instead of 30. Run deinterlace on each
frame and alternativly composite the tops and bottoms of each successive
frame onto a backdrop the same size as the original. You should end up
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with half the frames you first generated (a'la 30fps). Run interlace on
each frame and you've got field rendering. I'm told (by Mark Thompson)
that it's not true field rendering but don't really understand why...
Still, it looks pretty good. What is really needed is a Fred operator that
combines deinterlaced images as there are fred scripts for deinterlacing
and interlacing already present.

     If you wan't more info, don't hesitate to contact me....

>BTW -  what is the subscribe address for the LightWave mail list?  I'm
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     Me too, eventually. I've been on the list for awhile and have learned
a lot (and applied what I could to Imagine).

     Send a message to "[e-mail]" with

                   Subscribe Lightwave-l <address>

      as the text. That's from memory so don't kill me if it dosent' work.
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comp.graphics.animation and comp.sys.amiga.graphics with the info.

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Hey y'all,

        Yes, this is Imagine-related.  I want a local landscape
that I can save out of VistaPro as an Imagine object, so I can
render a flyby of recognizable landforms.

        Only problem is, I can't seem to find any DEM data, other
than what the USGS mapstore in San Fran wants to charge me three
thousand dollars a pop for.  That's right, we paid for the
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        I've heard there are public access sites for USGS data,
but I can't find them yet.  Are any of you Imaginoids hip to how
these doors are opened?

        And hey, I'm not being cheap about this.  I PAY for the US
Geodetic Survey.  I'm a part-owner, already.  I'd just like
access to my little local piece of it.


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> Hey y'all,
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>       I've heard there are public access sites for USGS data,
> but I can't find them yet.  Are any of you Imaginoids hip to how
> these doors are opened?

There are a whole bunch of DEMs on the FTP site spectrum.xerox.com.
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If anyone finds a (most likely US Government) site that _is_ comprehensive,
by all means post -- I'd like to know about it too, and I suspect so
would a lot of other people.

-Mark Sachs
 Industrial Might & Logic, Inc.
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I have run across a utility someone uploaded to our user group BBS call
PatchMath020.  It seems to have been created for use on Hurricane boards,
whatever they are, and patches the math routines in programs.  I will
replicate the doc file below.

I have applied this to Imagine 2.0 FP and have noticed faster movement in
the detail editor and in rendering quickrenders.  More testing to follow I
am sure.  I'd like to know the status of this program as far as
distributability...the uploader said he found it on GEnie.  I'd also like
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This program "snoops" through other programs looking for 32 bit
   interger multiply, divide and modulus subroutines and replaces
   them with 68020 multiply, divide and modulus instructions.  The
   68000 only has 16 bit multiply and 16 bit divide (divide a 32 bit
   number by a 16 bit number giving a 16 bit result and a 16 bit
   modulus) instructions.  C compilers for the Amiga all generate
   68000 code so they must make subroutine calls to perform full
   32 bit math.
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   This program recognizes several of these library modules and can
   replace 20 or thirty opcodes with two: the multiply or divide
   followed by RTS.

   Programs which use 32 bit math intensively may run significantly
   faster after being treated with PatchMath020.  A few modified
   programs run 2 to 3 times faster than the originals.  A more
   common result is 15 to 20 percent faster due to the fact that
   multiply/divide/modulus is usually a small fraction of the
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   instructions executed.  As an example, Sculpt 3D's object editor
   runs 15% faster after being modified by PatchMath020.  Silver
   runs an additional 40% faster.

   Note that the program is modified "in place" so be sure to
   make a backup before running PatchMath020 on you program.
   Also note that these modified programs will no longer run on
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The following notice hit my mailbox this morning. It is posted
in it's entirity.

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Dave,
        Please post this to the total IML

        After much concern on the part of you the Imagine user, it has
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become apparent that the use of Apex textures is very important to you.  We
did not realize the amount of people who have purchased these textures and
were amazed at the din of complaints over the fact that they did not work
with Imagine 2.9.

        There has also been much discussion about the fact that Impulse has
some "underhanded" concerns in making these textures non-opeartive with
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        We have however fixed the problem with all textures and have
decided in an effort ot please our user base to make sure that upon the
release of Imagine 3.0 that " THE APEX TEXTURES AS THE ARE NOW WILL WORK
WITH IMAGINE 3.0."  This action on our part is to make sure that your
investment in Imagine and other products that support Imagine is protected.

        The texture format is changing and we will continue to change
Imagine.  However for this release it will not be needed for APEX to change
their textures.  We must also alert you to a fact that is also of concern
to us and to you.  These textures from Apex while attractive are not
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created as they should be.  They are slower when rendering and this is
because they were developed with out the assistance of Impulse.  We still
urge APEX to comply with our standards, upon the release of the file format
this decision to change thier textures will rest soley on the back of APEX.
 We are willing to help any and all 3rd party vendors with this new
process.

        The door for communications is always open at Impulse, even if the
communication is one of a negative nature.  Our goal is now and has always
been to LISTEN TO YOU so that we could make Imagine the product that you
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        For those who have waited for what seems like a decade for Imagine
3.0, we are happy to annouce that the release of 3.0 is only a few short
weeks away.  Your continued support is appreciated and needed.

        As always, if you have any concerns please give us a call or drop
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        Sincerely
        Michael C. Halvorson
        President

        Please post this message where appropriate.


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Hurray!  Thank you Mike and Impulse.  I think this is terrific!
Keep up the good work.  Can't wait to see 3.0.


Tom Setzer
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To those of you interested,

I cannot upload this file to Aminet nor distribute it via mail until I
confirm the status of this program as FD.  I received a mailing that
indicated to me that this program may be copyrighted by RONIN, who may be
the mfg of the Hurricane boards.  If anyone can offer further info as to how
to contact RONIN, who the coders were there, or how to confirm the status of
this program, please email me.

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>       I've heard there are public access sites for USGS data,
> but I can't find them yet.  Are any of you Imaginoids hip to how
> these doors are opened?

I haven't tried them so I don't know exactly what they have to offer, but you
could try the Global Land Information System site:

  TELNET glis.cr.usgs.gov

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   Hello, I've encountered a problem with Imagine 2.0 that I was hoping
someone could help me with.  I've created an object (in the detail editor)
that isn't rendering correctly in "trace" mode.  Basically, it's a one-
no...it's a two-dimensional object which has been extruded to three dimensions.
When the object is rendered, ridges appear on the flat surface, apparently
along edges of a few faces.  This should not be happening as all the faces
on this side are coplanar; in the rendered image it should look like one
smooth, flat surface.  I suspect that the problem might be due to the fact
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couple one-dimensional faces.  Since this object is being morphed into a
more complicated object, quite a few points have the same cordinates.  If
this is some kind of Imagine no-no, then what must I do to get around it?
   Due to the specific two shapes being morphed,  it would be very difficult
to arrange the polygons of the more complicated object in such a way that
make it unnecessary to converge points together.
  Any suggestions? explanations?

Please email me directly if you can, because I'm not subscribed to this
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Chris.

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        I guess this question would be directed at Scott or somebody
who has a contact at Impulse.

        Simple question really:  Does the imagine ray-tracer shoot
more than one ray per pixel?

        The reason I'm asking this is that I've noticed that when I
apply a texture (say peened or scratched metal) to an object and
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looks pretty hideous).  The effect gets very unattractive when an
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        I realise that Impulse wants to push for speed but I just
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Greetings:

        I guess this question would be directed at Scott or
somebody who has a contact at Impulse.

        Simple question really:  Does the imagine ray-tracer
shoot more than one ray per pixel?

        The reason I'm asking this is that I've noticed that when
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I apply a texture (say peened or scratched metal) to an object and
scale the texture down fairly small I get something that looks
sort of like when I use the Roughness Attribute (usually a no-no,
since it looks pretty hideous).  The effect gets very
unattractive when any sort of animating is attempted.

        I realise that Impulse wants to push for speed but I just
can't accept an animation that has some sort of ugly static on
certain objects.

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        I've been researching ray-tracing for a while and
personally I would find it unacceptable to write a ray-tracer
that used any less than three rays-per-pixel.  The result would
be much better animations and stills (this would also eliminate
the need for antialiasing).  Guess what else, if you set up a
multi-ray-per-pixel ray-tracer you open the door to temporal
antialiasing (read that as motion-blur).

        I really wish I had the option of defining my own balance
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Hi Tony (Tony Jones), in <[e-mail]> on Feb 8 you wrote:

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:  >      Does anyone know of a way to make good looking clouds with Imagine? I
:  > don't mean 3-D clouds, just clouds ala VistaPro & Scenery Animator. Might
:  > be a good idea for a new texture.  :)
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: vertically up to the sky . Then render a pcture of it and use it as a brush
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        Actually that will not look so good! The best you can do is create
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approximate location of your camera in Imagine. If you want to exclude the
ground raise the camera up .. and also raise the cloud ceiling up. This
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proper location and density of the clouds. If you point it towards the scy
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On Tue, 15 Feb 1994, Dave Wickard forwarded this from Impulse:

>       We have however fixed the problem with all textures and have
> decided in an effort ot please our user base to make sure that upon the
> release of Imagine 3.0 that " THE APEX TEXTURES AS THE ARE NOW WILL WORK
> WITH IMAGINE 3.0."  This action on our part is to make sure that your
> investment in Imagine and other products that support Imagine is protected.

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Absolutely Beautiful!!!  Now THIS is the sort of post I like to find in
my mailbox!  I think everyone should engage in a moment of applause for
this little development.

Oh, and a big 'thank YOU' to the folks at Impulse for listening on this
crucial subject.

Steve.

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has any one out there, especially Impulse or Apex, thought out a texture that would keep an object "wireframed" ? it would really be nice, for example for creating flashy objects, half wire-framed, half rendered ..... like in some adverts .....
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On Mon, 14 Feb 1994, Mike McCool wrote:

>       I've heard there are public access sites for USGS data,
> but I can't find them yet.  Are any of you Imaginoids hip to how
> these doors are opened?
>
>       And hey, I'm not being cheap about this.  I PAY for the US
> Geodetic Survey.  I'm a part-owner, already.  I'd just like
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> access to my little local piece of it.

US Geological Survey I beleive...  But just to warn you, some of the DEM
files on the xerox site are 20 megs long.  Mite bit big to render.  There
are a few dem's on aminet, but I cant remember where...  I downloaded the
SHORT.FILES list and used emacs to do a text search on DEM and map.
Also, I seem to have lost the data, but I once jumped on the sci.geology
newsgroup and asked this same question, and they were able to give quite
a few sites.  Wish I could find that data now...  Ah well, that's what
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is anyone at APEX or IMPULSE thinking of creating a "wireframe" texture ? i.e. have a wireframe version of an object in a scanline scene. This could be very nice, imagine a half-rendered, half wire-framed object ......
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mike McCool) writes:
>Hey y'all,

>       Only problem is, I can't seem to find any DEM data, other
>than what the USGS mapstore in San Fran wants to charge me three
>thousand dollars a pop for.  That's right, we paid for the
>gathering of this data, and now they want us to pay for it again.

  Well, if you have access to a cdrom drive..
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47. Where can I get maps of the US on CD-ROM?

  The USGS is producing a series of cds that contain 1:100,000 scale
  digital line graph (DLG) data. Presently, only Florida is available.
  Also, 1:2,000,000 DLG cd is available for the US.  Call 1-800-USA-MAPS
  for more info.

  You can also get topo data (with AVHRR coverage) on CD-ROM for $32. This
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  Sioux Falls, SD  605-594-6507, or 6511

  The Digital Chart of the World (DCW), produced by your Defense Mapping
  Agency, is generally acknowledged to be the best data set providing
  world-wide coverage. It is at a scale of about 1:1 000 000, and it is
  unlikely that you will find data at a larger scale for much of the world.
  At $200.00 for the set of 4 CD-ROMs and viewing data, it is considered to
  be a steal by most professional users, though it might be a bit of an
  overkill for domestic use.  You can obtain it from:
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    Distribution Center
    Building 810
    Box 25286
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Mike Halvorson has posted a letter to users here on the mailing list
regarding the use of the Essence textures with Imagine. As author of
the Essence textures, it obviously interested me a great deal.

I have been very careful in trying to avoid noise on the IML,
especially from fanning flame wars. During the past week or so, when
the information that Essence I and II could indeed work with Imagine
2.9 was made available, I was carefully quiet, though I read each post
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A simple, one byte, ID number change allowed Impulse to make Imagine
2.9 reject any non-Impulse texture. The decision to add this rejection
is odd in the sense that it seems to have no function other than to
produce incompatibilities, in particular with Essence. I was hoping
that with the release of Imagine 3.0, we at Apex would just be able to
change this byte in our textures, and ship off free patches to all of
our users. I made a conscious decision NOT to immediately announce or
patch the one-byte change to the textures to make them 2.9 compatible
for the reason that Impulse might just change the byte again (or
worse) and break them again in 3.0. This is why it was an independent
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person who was the one to post the "What?  The textures are just a
byte different?" revelation.  In fact, I had asked John Grieggs, who
had figured out the patch byte weeks ago, NOT to post the information,
since it would certainly lead to unproductive flaming.

With Mike's recent post here on the IML, I feel I must now respond.

Mike Halvorson, president of Impulse, writes:

>         There has also been much discussion about the fact that
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> Impulse has some "underhanded" concerns in making these textures
> non-opeartive with 2.9.  This was done as we said for reasons of file
> format change and texture tacking problems.

I agree, there ARE new texture capabilities in 2.9, but Zack has been
intelligent in adding these by extending the 2.0 format. This allowed
Impulse to use their old 2.0 textures without rewriting them. Note
that the Impulse "Checks" texture in 2.0 and 2.9 are identical, with
the exception of ane byte changed internally. It was this ID byte
which has caused the incompatability problems, not the texture code
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2.9, including using texture tacking.

>         We have however fixed the problem with all textures and have
> decided in an effort ot please our user base to make sure that upon
> the release of Imagine 3.0 that " THE APEX TEXTURES AS THE ARE NOW
> WILL WORK WITH IMAGINE 3.0."

I am extremely glad to see this. The decision to reject 2.0 textures,
even though they were still compatible with 2.9, was a bad one, as
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there have been literally hundreds of phone calls, and I'm sure
Impulse has gotten many as well.  Mike, thank you for deciding to
remove the texture ID check; it will make life easier for both of us.

> We must also alert you to a fact that is also of concern to us and to
> you.  These textures from Apex while attractive are not created as
> they should be.  They are slower when rendering and this is because
> they were developed with out the assistance of Impulse.

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This is the claim that really stung me and made me write this reply.
Mike, I am shocked that you have made such a deliberate, malicious,
slam at Essence. I fiercely disagree with your absurd
misrepresentation of the quality or speed of the Essence textures.
How do you know how the Essence textures work? How do you know what
their internal algorithms do?  Different textures have different CPU
requirements. In particular, making high quality fractal noise
requires a significant amount of computation, especially when you need
to avoid visual artifacts and support the use of 4D, animated noise.

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Efficient texture design is actually a topic which I can claim to be
expert at. I have written several articles about efficient texturing,
including "The Art of Noise" in Ray Tracing News (Volume 5, Number 2,
1992), and "Practical Texture Implementation" in last year's texturing
course at SIGGRAPH (Course notes, "Procedural Modeling and Rendering
Techniques", 1993).  In SIGGRAPH '94 I will be lecturing in a new
texturing course, and I'm now coauthoring a new book about texturing
methods to published by Academic Press, also be released at SIGGRAPH.
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The mechanics of making a texture that Imagine can use is not hard.
We have indeed been forced to backengineer this method, but it is not
a difficult task; other people have done the same. We are quite sure
that we at Apex understand this texture calling method quite well, and
that there is no inefficiency in the texture interface we use. Mike,
your comment refers to the Essence textures as if they are quick,
unstable hacks which are "not created as they should be." I see this
is in dramatic contrast to Impulse's own textures, where your own
documentation actually WARNS you that misset texture parameters can
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break them and possibly crash the machine.

But the main question is whether the Essence textures are indeed slow
compared to "Impulse-approved" versions. Well, this is easy to test.
The single texture which has an exact equivalent in our independent
libraries is "Crumpled"; even the name is the same in both our
collections.  Fire up Imagine 2.9, and render an object with the
Essence Crumpled texture on it, timing the rendering speed. Render the
exact same scene, but using Impulse's version of the Crumpled texture.
In a low resolution test case, rendered on a stock A3000, using the
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default parameter settings of each texture, the Essence version
rendered in 1:53, and the Impulse version in 3:09.

> We still urge APEX to comply with our standards, upon the release of
> the file format this decision to change their textures will rest soley
> on the back of APEX.  We are willing to help any and all 3rd party
> vendors with this new process.

Mike, you're implying that the Essence/Imagine 2.9 incompatibility has
occurred because we have not asked for any help from you. This is
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information about textures, as far back as May of 1992, even before
Essence I ever shipped. Your only comment to a pre-release set of the
Essence I textures I sent to you was that they were nice and that
you'd like to see a foliage texture. I've talked to you personally as
well as sent FAXes, asking for any texture information. While I've
been promised information on many occasions, as recently as December
1993, I have never received anything, even on 2.0 texture formats. I
think it's great that you claim you will publish something publically
about the 3.0 format textures when you ship 3.0, since you have never
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>         The door for communications is always open at Impulse, even if
> the communication is one of a negative nature.  Our goal is now and
> has always been to LISTEN TO YOU so that we could make Imagine the
> product that you helped to build.

Ah, this is true, you do listen to input. I sent an early copy of
Essence Volume II to you in August of 1993. You obviously did look at
the software I sent, since many ideas from Essence are now found in
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similarities like using negative colors to disable color addition, to
more overt correspondences like using "T1 T2" labels for transition
levels, to textures with comparable functionality and even names (like
Crumpled).  I doubt that any Apex code was copied, but obviously you
incorporated a lot of the ideas pioneered by Essence into your new
textures. I actually don't have any objection to this; it's the most
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Not sure if this got out the first time I posted it, so ...

Try:

resdgs1.er.usgs.gov

In the /DEM directory, there are hundreds and hundreds of DEM files,
compressed for your chewing enjoyment.

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> >I cannot upload this file to Aminet nor distribute it via mail until I
> >confirm the status of this program as FD.  I received a mailing that
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> I believe that this has already been on AmiNet, I have it
> and I think that's where I got it!  I don't get amiga stuff from
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   Here are the ones on Aminet:

mcnv3.lha            gfx/misc    27K+Converts USGS ascii DEM files to Vista/Sce

vdem-az-co.lha       gfx/misc   683K+Vistapro DEM files converted from USGS dat
vdem-md-dc.lha       gfx/misc   671K+Vistapro DEM files converted from USGS dat
vdem-mid.lha         gfx/misc   185K+Vistapro DEM files converted from USGS dat
vdem-pa-ny.lha       gfx/misc   359K+Vistapro DEM files converted from USGS dat
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> has any one out there, especially Impulse or Apex, thought out a texture
> that would keep an object "wireframed" ? it would really be nice, for
> example for creating flashy objects, half wire-framed, half rendered .....
> like in some adverts .....

        Ahh, well, this is really easy to do in Imagine 2.9.  Use the
        Lattice function (under the New Stuff menu) and enter a value of
        about -0.05 in the requester.  This will turn your entire
        object into a wireframe, made up form narrow tubes.

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        If you just want part of the object wireframed, then select the
        edges you want in Pick Edges mode and perform the Lattice from
        there.

        If I get a chance I'll do a quick piccy and upload it to the aminet.

        TTFN,
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The following letter was waiting for me this morning in my mail.
It is posted here in it's entirity.
-Dave
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Dave please post over IML

        I have read, as some of you may have, Mr. Worleys letter.
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        It seems Mr Worley suggests that there is still some other agenda
on the part of Impusle as it reagrds the essence textures that he produces.
 Mr Worley forgets that Imagine 2.9 is not a relase product, it is a
interim version so that people could see what we have done.  Yes we made
some changes, it broke his textures, and you complained about it.  Of
course there are more changes than the one which makes the essence texutres
work, but what is the point of arguing, we have fixed the problem so that
you would not have to wait for some patch to fix what you want to use.

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        We here at Impulse appreciate that Mr. Worley spends his time
studying textures for programs like Imagine. We are excited to know that he
will continue his fine work, he however takes us to case when it comes to
speed of his textures.  I appologize, I make this comment in the second
voice, this is what we have heard from several users.  They are slow, this
is what you have said,  not us.  I was foolish to publish such a comment
knowing that I have no personal knowledge of the essence textures, I looked
a a few, used them once or twice and went back to the ones that we make.

        Also in Mr. Worleys post, he alludes to the fact that we copied his
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who wrote the textures for 3.0 is not one who would in any way spend time
doing this.  He is very creative in his own right and as such I think has
enough ego to warrant the  development of his own textures.  I know this to
be true, I watched him as he put in months and months of time to do the
best he could.

        The rest of Mr. Worleys letter to you the IML user is for your to
decide upon.  I will not get involved in any further NOISE, if you have
complaints, please let us know, we will as in this case make the changes if
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you find bugs, let us know at once.

        All vendors, no matter how diverse the backgrounds or directions
must find a common ground by which they can work together.  Mr Worley is
invited to direct himself to the issues of the growth of Imagine and you
the user.  I doubt that you really want to hear all of this garbage or
noise, so it stops here, today and in the future as it realtes to Impulse.

        As a final note, complaints, suggestions and other comments are not
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product to support our efforts.  I get many calls from various other
vendors who would be involved with what we are doing.  My phone is always
open to Apex or any other company that would desire some help.

        So, back to 3.0, we are very close now and hope that you will enjoy
our efforts, and I will personally make sure that Mr. Worley gets a brand
new shinny copy of Imagine 3.0 so that he can do whatever testing he
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This adds alot of extra polygons though.  It's not true wire frame, which
Imagine is completely capable of, just not for specific objects...

        Cyrus J. Kalbrener

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>       Ahh, well, this is really easy to do in Imagine 2.9.  Use the
>       Lattice function (under the New Stuff menu) and enter a value of
>       about -0.05 in the requester.  This will turn your entire
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2/17/94 09:38 44/ Stethem Ted              5721 <[e-mail]
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   I was going to bring this up but Steve Worley has already responded to
Mike Halvorson's open letter regarding the "supposed" slowness of Essence
textures to "legitimate" Imagine textures.  That comment from Mike's message
really stood out so I did a speed comparison and found the Essence and
Imagine textures to take about the same amount of rendering time, which
backs up what Steve said.
   A few months ago, somebody posted a message quoting Mike as saying the
textures for Imagine 2.9/3.0 were "algorithmically different" (supposedly
better)  so that was supposed to be the reason for the incompatibility of
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V2.0 textures, including Essence, with V2.9/3.0.  Don't think a version
check byte can be considered "algorithmically different" unless you consider
a version check an "algorithm" (don't know what school of software teaches
this interpretation).
  Beyond all this Essence vs. Imagine textures controversy, I am having
problems with inconsistencies between Imagine V2.0 and V2.9 textures.  I
made an object with a radial texture (the "legitimate" Imagine one) in V2.9
and did a Scanline.  The object with radial texture  was opaque, when it was
supposed to be partially transparent.  So, I went to Trace and now it was
partially transparent but the object behind it was showing through in
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greyscale, not color.  Then, I went back to Imagine 2.0, recreated the
object with the radial texture, using the V2.0 radial texture, and did a
Scanline. Lo and behold, it worked the way I thought it should; partially
transparent and the colors of the object behind it coming through with some
diffusion.  To experiment further, I rerendered in Trace mode and it came
out like the same scene in V2.9; partially transparent but with the colors
of the object behind it coming through in greyscale.  Why is Imagine V2.9
treating the same Imagine texture differently from Imagine V2.0?

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This is directed to Impulse.  Have you determined what the pricing will be
to upgrade from 2.0/2.9 to 3.0?  Will there be any breaks for those of us who
own Imagine for the Amiga _and_ the PC?  For that matter, will the PC upgrade
be shipping at the same time as the Amiga upgrade?  Thanks in advance.
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Hello everyone.

Just wanted to comment on the situation with Apex and Impulse...

I'm extremely pleased to read that Imagine 3.0 will allow Essence textures to
be used. This indicates to me that Impulse is attempting to be responsive to
the needs of their customers. I do admit that I was _plenty_ peeved when I
learned that one byte was the sum total difference that was preventing them
from working in 2.9. I'm not sure I understand completely WHY the change was
made in 2.9, but that's water under the bridge. The patch works for now, and
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3.0 will allow us to use the original Essence textures, so I am satisfied in
that respect.

Curious, though, is that Impulse took the opportunity to slam on Essence
textures and question their efficiency and all that. Additionally, I received
a private message from Mike H. that told me that although the Essence textures
may LOOK like they're working, that essentially they're not at all. I replied
that to me, the LOOK is what I'm going for... No response. I've got the
original post somehwere... Perhaps when I get home I'll send it up.

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Fact of the matter is this: There is acknowledged friction between Apex &
Impulse, and I don't know much of the reasons why. Impulse, with 2.9, had put
us, the consumers, right in the middle of their bitchy little war. With 3.0,
they've put us, the consumers, back where we should be - the driver's seat.

Thanks Impulse for listening to us. Perhaps the huge reaction you've gotten
to EssenceGate has put into better perspective the feud...

I am curious about Mr. Worley's post (Hi Steve!) as well. In it, he indicates
that Impulse didn't respond to his requests for texture code guidelines for
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2.0, much less for 2.9. To the best of my knowledge, Steve has NEVER received
any code from Impulse regarding textures. Interesting, eh?

I think that we're in the back stretch of a nasty little issue, and that we're
coming out ahead for it.

One last little thing... Does anyone, anyone at all, specifically anyone from
Impulse think that maybe they can give us a slightly better (hopefully
accurate) estimation of when 3.0 will be available? For a while now, we've
been seeing 'in a few short weeks', and I'm wondering just how many 'short
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weeks' it's going to be. Call me impatient, but I remember paying $100 a LONG
time ago for 3.0. Granted, I got 2.9, but I bought 3.0, and it still hasn't
been delivered....

Scott or Mike: how are the manuals coming?

Can't wait to try out the LATTICIZE trick to make wireframe-looking objects!
Thanks to whomever tipped us on that!

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In a message of 16 Feb 94 Sebastien PERKINS wrote to me:

 SP> From: [e-mail] (Sebastien PERKINS) To:
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 SP> is anyone at APEX or IMPULSE thinking of creating a "wireframe" texture
 SP> ? i.e. have a wireframe version of an object in a scanline scene. This
 SP> could be very nice, imagine a half-rendered, half wire-framed object
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 SP> ......

 I tried to simulate this with filter brushmaps once... It could look really
great if it weren't for this Imagine bug with filter (an object with full
filter values isn't totally invisible). Great idea for a texture though, if
this bug is fixed on v3.0

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Ok, I see someone already metioned the Latticize function for creating
wireframe objects.

Here's another way for creating the wire-frame with square or rectangular
wireframe openings.

Set the objects filter values to 255, 255, 255.  Apply one of the Death Star
family of textures to the object.  Set the Bevel Filter value to 0 (zero).

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What you get is the bevel portion of the texture showing only.  Voila!
"Wireframe".   Of course, you may or may not want to adjust the bevel width and
the bevel slope.

GreG

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Kirvan,

  Hey there!

  I've run across a problem in Imagine 2.0 in trace mode wherein a totally
transparent object with a bright global reflection map will display the
reflection map's colours in even if the object is non-shiny and non-reflective
i.e it is not rendered as transparent.  If there are two such objects
overlapping, where they overlap *is* transparent.  This isn't a problem when
using scanline.  I don't know if this has been reported by anyone yet, but it
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sounds very similar to other problems I've heard discussed on the mailing list.

  So,

  Is there any public bug-list available for Imagine 2.0?  (i.e.  has it been
reported?)

  How does one report these bugs other than calling Impulse (is there an e-mail
address??)

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  Is there a list of what bugs will fixed in the 3.0 release?


Blitzkrieg (tanks in advance),
Rob
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     Any ideas for creating a good snake?  Use texture or bitmap and
     tack?  Thanks for your suggestions...Ed
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2/17/94 21:51 12/ [e-mail] (Jeff Saffold)
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Well, I have uploaded the lensflafe object from the last AA, so it
should be on Aminet ASAP (If I got the readme right this time.:)  Its
not the greatest, but, its better then nothing.:)
Look for Flare.lha  on Aminet soon!

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[e-mail] (Craig Donaldson) pecked out:

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>>     Here's another one...... I presently converting all my 2.0
>>projects and objects (in which I used a LOT of Essence textures ;-(
>>to 2.9. Most effects I've been able to translate but I've been having
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>>problems with my spaceship deflectors (get Scottie! ;-). With essence
>>I'd just apply blobc to a transparent plane and morph it over time
>>for a fractelly, energy effect. I've been using filnoise2 to some
>>degree of sucess but it 'aint nearly as nice. Any suggestions? What
>>are people using to dirty up objects? Is there something that
>>recreates the effect of fracturb etc...?
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>Hi, Just found this among my "TO DO" list.  I am not sure if I have
>replied to this yet, if not I am sorry for not replying earlier :(.
>Well, I guess now that there is a known patch, you don't require an
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>answer anymore :)

     Yea, I'm fine now but this whole process has been pretty tiresome. I
wasted a lot of effort trying to recreate effects generated with Essence
and Imagine 2.0 to no avail. I'm happy that the matter has been cleared up
but sincerely NOT IMPRESSED. PoP! goes a week of work.
     On the matter of Imagine/Essence textures. I vastly prefer Essence's
fractel coding. I find the effects much more to my taste and that "time"
parameter is a boon to anyone doing swirling clouds or shields. It'd be
nice to see something like this for the 2.9 textures (some hope, they'll
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just keep squabbling....).

                                          Christopher

ps. There, I've said my piece, let's get back to some relevant (read:
productive) discussions. Has anyone got the inside track on the
psuedo-particle requestor? I've been trying to get something "engine-like"
through an emmission but.......... no "bubble-drive" ;-).


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Hi !

This mail is not exactly Imagine related. Sorry about that.

Would any of you have knowledge of a Public Domain or Shareware utility to
manipulate (classic image processing) and convert (to and from) TIFF and Sun
rasterfiles ? This utility would have to be run from a Silicon Graphics or a
Sparc Sun.

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If such utilities exist, could you indicate me the full path and IP number
of the site I can download them from.

Ta.

JC

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